Curse

Regulus X · May 21, 2009, 04:45 PM // 16:45

I don't know about you all, but while in RA, many people tend to abuse others in various forms. The most prevalent form of abuse is reporting each other for leeching and verbal abuse (results in automated punishment). Reporting for leeching in RA results in temporary expulsion from the arena for the duration of the hex. Verbal abuse results in temporary banning from the server itself.

The reason I bring these issues into the light is because, due to these automated functions, RA's known to cause grief, anguish, etc.. via other player's spite, abuse, etc.. in lieu of the facts about automated punishment.. Correct?

I've been reported for verbal abuse so many times.. and they've all been successful at banning me (due to it's automated & unmonitored nature.. meaning that the 'Live Team' has d-hex/banning on auto-pilot). My verbal abuse was a direct result of RA and the conditions (i.e.: grief, anguish, etc.. via spite, abuse, etc..) incurred [as stated above]. Am I at fault for desiring to compete *clicking enter.. no team assembly required* in RA and cursing as a result of all the garbage abuse players lunge at me? Or has Anet given too much automated power to kids 14 years and younger..?

Take the time to think this through and generate your opinion in a non-flaming manner.

The reason for my query is that RA's the only arena I enjoy to the max, but have the hardest time with due to these issues.

Can the Live Team fix this? And How? (no flaming, please).

If so, what would be your proposition for fixture? (once more, no flaming).

I cannot empasize the no-flaming portion as this is a very delicate topic. Any derrogatory posts are to be deleted asap; don't want topic-lock to result. Thanks and have at it! =)

One final comment, please refrain from saying things like 'Go TA' or 'RA is newb/low-level PvP and needs no attention' because they don't help whatsoever in improving things there. Random Arena is an arena.. where players compete.. It deserves the same equal attention as any other arena.

Comment away!

Ariena Najea · May 21, 2009, 04:53 PM // 16:53

I'll admit that I don't fully understand why so many people have issues being banned for language, simply because I have never had any such troubles. While in Random Arenas, Alliance Battles, Jade Quarry, Hero Battles, or any of the other areas where people like to talk smack, I just perform my role in the party and ignore most of it. I have only been reported once for anything, and that was getting a drink quickly while waiting for JQ, and not immediately moving at the spawn. I came back with more than enough time to move to the portal of my choosing and prepare, so no one else complained and there was no issue. The "no harm no foul" clause applies.

The only thing I can suggest is to make yourself an obvious player, not a leecher or a bot. Say hello to your teammates at the beginning of a new series of matches and coordinate throughout. Odds are, if you're the helpful leader on the team, your team won't be a problem, and won't inspire the other team to become a problem. As idealistic as this sounds, it works.

GranDeWun · May 21, 2009, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I've seen:
- People jump in and report all fellow team members, then leave.
- Leechers, etc who were reported, and then reported everyone who reported them.

Imposing a penalty aspect to reporting others doesn't work, because you can't deter people who don't care about the penalty, and simply want to grief. E.g. threats of retaliation don't deter suicide bombers...

Chicken Ftw · May 21, 2009, 05:07 PM // 17:07

The entire concept of a community moderating itself is flawed. Unless you can somehow make the entire community suddenly be mature, reasonable individuals, there will always be abuse. All you can really do is try to make yourself less of an easy target.

Gigashadow · May 21, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

This game lacks any sort of community reputation, so people feel safely anonymous to harass others without affecting their own reputation. The entire game is also soloable, so even if someone could accumulate a bad community reputation, it doesn't stop them from accomplishing anything in the game.

Rhamia Darigaz · May 21, 2009, 05:55 PM // 17:55

the random arena environment isn't going to change. if you want a serious pvp experience try an organized format.

pinguinius · May 21, 2009, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Uh, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you actually got banned for verbal abuse, you said something dickish. You might not think it was ban-worthy, but you said something. Nobody gets banned for being silent. And reporting someone for verbal abuse when they've done nothing... does nothing.

If all 3 of your teammates reported you for leeching, even if you weren't, yeah, you'll get barred from entering for a few minutes. But the only time I have ever been reported for leeching in RA was when I was on a warrior when I accidentally hit enter with no skills on my bar and got an immediate game. I auto attacked valiantly, but they (rightfully) reported me. I have never been reported for leeching for no reason.

Quit whining about nothing, and turn the chat off if you really can't control yourself to not flame on the internet.

PS: Telling us 3 times not to flame you is asinine.

Gift3d · May 21, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Sensitive carebears run guild wars. You have to cater to the 12 year olds, and the 12 year olds parents' wishes. Cause if they don't like one single thing you say they'll take hundreds of screenshots and e-mail anet over and over like it's customer support until they get what they want. That's what carebears do, and carebears run guild wars.

garethporlest18 · May 21, 2009, 06:25 PM // 18:25

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Sensitive carebears run guild wars. You have to cater to the 12 year olds, and the 12 year olds parents' wishes. Cause if they don't like one single thing you say they'll take hundreds of screenshots and e-mail anet over and over like it's customer support until they get what they want. That's what carebears do, and carebears run guild wars.

Guild Wars? They run many more things than Guild Wars. They run nearly all forms of media and entertainment besides what is considered "adult films."

You can't get rid of this problem, the devs have to cater to this problem. They have to bow down to it, like we all do, that's just the way it's gonna go as long as they have a say...

The only thing you can do is accept it and be silent so you don't get apprehended by them.

Regulus X · May 21, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

Sensitive carebears run guild wars. You have to cater to the 12 year olds, and the 12 year olds parents' wishes. Cause if they don't like one single thing you say they'll take hundreds of screenshots and e-mail anet over and over like it's customer support until they get what they want. That's what carebears do, and carebears run guild wars.

LOL Best descriptor thusfar. Alot of truth behind it.

Saying 'no-flaming' is needed.. because otherwise, people will all-the-more flame and I need the support of the admin to prevent threadlock (as many flamers so intend to get threads locked by way of spamming derrogatory comments).

Syncers..? BEAT THEM! I'd much rather face off against syncers to have a worthy competition. Qqing about them tells me you're lacking understanding and skill for PvP. I dunno how many countless sync groups I've defamed by way of pure skill experience and execution. If you're lacking, then you have plenty of room for improving your skills in PvP. Improve and come back to beat sync groups. Nothing gives me such a rush than to beat a good team. I wish it gave you all that same rush.. ._.

The point of this thread is to convey a relevant issue in RA: 'Abuse!' It needs to be extinguished.. but the only way for that to happen is for whoever the one-man Live Team is to step up and take control of the situation. I say throttle down on d-hex points and automated penalties as well as provide balance in RA. What say the rest of the RA (PvP) Community?

Cammy · May 21, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Syncers..? BEAT THEM! I'd much rather face off against syncers to have a worthy competition. Qqing about them tells me you're lacking understanding and skill for PvP. I dunno how many countless sync groups I've defamed by way of pure skill experience and execution. If you're lacking, then you have plenty of room for improving your skills in PvP. Improve and come back to beat sync groups. Nothing gives me such a rush than to beat a good team. I wish it gave you all that same rush.. ._.

Sure it gives me a great rush when I beat a team of g7 syncers. But not only am I not able to beat them in TA (which is why I'm in RA) but I also have 3 other random people on my team who are likely as bad, if not worse, than me.

So those g7 syncers should just stick to TA where they belong and let me farm my RA glad points in peace.

Vazze · May 21, 2009, 06:40 PM // 18:40

haha, RA is fixed. Before DCS RA was way to popular compared to other pvp formats, so they fixed it. Now it is less popular.

Hanging Man · May 21, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

I haven't experienced troubles in Ra firsthand.
usually when I play I never say a word except "gg" and I always play never leech.
So I spose i try to stay outta the spotlight

But maybe they could have a permanent moderator or a couple who could handle /reports in Ra?
I dunno thhats all I got

garethporlest18 · May 21, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Anet should hire a person or people, or if they already have the person or people, give them new rules.

Anet should only ban on intent by word, not by word itself. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO as a word, should never, ever be bannable, it's a word. Intent is what makes that word evil, a word should never have auto-intent. But society today has a few words that do have auto-intent, it's stupid. Anet should have a person that reads reports, and then decides what to do based on intent. If someone talks in their day to day talk, "Well I went to the store and almost got hit by a car, it was RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing scary man." That shouldn't be bannable (but it is cause the word has auto-intent).

If someone is blatantly trying to cause harm, it will be obvious, whether joking or serious. These so called words we call "bad" don't even have to be used, many other non "bad" words can cause blatant harm as well. Then Anet can ban these people. But for people who use these words as fillers for other words, they shouldn't be banned. Even if they have different meanings, it's easy to see intent in words and actions (in this manner) should be based on intent.

No word should be bannable. No word should have auto-intent. Today in society, that's how we live. Scared of words. Sometimes it seems people think these words are living on their own, with their own intention. But because we have people who run things, that are scared of these words, this so called "bad" language, because society told these people to be scared...things won't change.

I await a day when a game has devs who do see this. Then again, Devs might feel the same as me, but do what they do based on the fact these carebears make them money. Ah well.

Wish Swiftdeath · May 21, 2009, 06:56 PM // 18:56

wth? Syncing is a problem, this is not.

Despite failing at guild wars I still trash talk people whenever i win and i've never, ever been banned. Either you're blowing this out of proportion or you're just acting retarded.

pinguinius · May 21, 2009, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

[stuff every 14 year old comes up with]

Calm down, load up a George Carlin album, and then calm down. They don't ban you for saying words that the filter would censor IF you say them in a non-insulting context. I have often said "This is shitty," or the like in general chat and not been banned. If you call someone a shithead, however, and they report you, banning is a possibility-- though a slim one. Generally only racial slurs* have, in my experience, shown to be the things they actually care about.

*Edit: or extremely sexual things

A11Eur0 · May 21, 2009, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by GranDeWun

I've seen:
- People jump in and report all fellow team members, then leave.

Probably some idiot thinking the dishonorable hex helps them with their -3/+60 when hexed set in pve.

garethporlest18 · May 21, 2009, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by pinguinius

Calm down, load up a George Carlin album, and then calm down. They don't ban you for saying words that the filter would censor IF you say them in a non-insulting context. I have often said "This is shitty," or the like in general chat and not been banned. If you call someone a shithead, however, and they report you, banning is a possibility-- though a slim one. Generally only racial slurs* have, in my experience, shown to be the things they actually care about.

*Edit: or extremely sexual things

If I went around talking like George Carlin does, without showing any intent to cause harm with my words, merely, just using them as words. I would indeed get banned for it. I have before. I don't usually insult others, but I have before, without using this "bad" language. I didn't get banned for that. But if I would have used "bad" language, I would have gotten banned for it.

pinguinius · May 21, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

If I went around talking like George Carlin does, without showing any intent to cause harm with my words, merely, just using them as words. I would indeed get banned for it. I have before. I don't usually insult others, but I have before, without using this "bad" language. I didn't get banned for that. But if I would have used "bad" language, I would have gotten banned for it.

I have literally quoted Carlin bits (Ratshit, batshit, 69 assholes tied in a knot...) while waiting for FA to pop and not gotten punished. Anyway, the real problem is GW has no intermediate punishment. It's either the mod on duty passes or you get banned for 3 days. There is no warning, and that's really the problem. Most people swear and forget about it, but a few get banned and never forget it. The inconsistent style of moderation leaves everyone confused as to what we can and what we can't do, so we end up with useless threads like this.

Zahr Dalsk · May 21, 2009, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by pinguinius

They don't ban you for saying words that the filter would censor IF you say them in a non-insulting context.

Oh, they do. Happened to me once.

Prove me wrong.